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2009/11/10 UP DATE #004

Ryuichi Sakamoto x Reiko Yuyama Public opinion

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Chapter Six
"The climbers are hedonists, right?"

Yuyama: Recently, I started to climb a mountain.

Sakamoto: My mother 100 famous mountains in Japan(*1) I am going through. The last mountain climbing three or four years ago was Southern Alps(*2) Was running for 10 days. When I was about 80.

Yuyama: Traverse for 10 days! Is it already alpinist(*3) Say it! That's amazing.

Sakamoto: I said, "The last thing I want to do is the most." She also started climbing after 40 years old. At that time, I had a child in my first marriage, so I think she was trying to leave her.

Yuyama: I've been doing various sports so far, but sports that deal with nature are orders of magnitude more interesting and deep. You can't climb unless it's a total war that uses all of your head and body. Really, it falls down to the bottom of the valley. The unexpected will happen, so your five senses will be sensitive.

Sakamoto: Suddenly I heard the sound of murmuring, but even if I thought there was a stream nearby, it was not easy. The sense of sound and the sense of distance are very strange, mountains.

Yuyama: It's nice when you're walking, "It's beautiful," but if it rains, it's hard. If you don't have rain gear, your body will be cold and you will die. Some people say it's relaxing in nature, but no, there are really scary places.

Sakamoto: Musicians and artists were invited to a project to go to the Arctic Circle with scientists, Greenland(※Four) I went to It's been 10 days since the end of September last year,

Yuyama: Hey! How was? It's a very tough environment, isn't it?

Sakamoto: Over 70 degrees north latitude. That's amazing. I was keenly aware of how small human beings are. I'm desperate to live. The Arctic Circle was really amazing. It wasn't such a tough season. Overwhelming amounts of ice and water. In a white world, right?

Yuyama: If you go to such a place, it's not like you're saying you're depressed.

(*1) The author's essay title, which is also known as a mountaineer, Hisaya Fukada (published in 1964). From the mountains of the Japanese archipelago, there are hundreds of essays about Fukada selected by Fukada based on his own criteria.
In turn, this Hyakuza is also called "Hyakumeizan," but it's a mountain selected by one person, so don't worry.
(⇒ Click here for details)

(*2) A mountain range that extends over Nagano, Yamanashi and Shizuoka prefectures. The official name is "Akaishi Mountains".
It requires the second highest mountain in Japan after Mt. Fuji, and welcomes many mountaineers every year as a popular mountaineering area nationwide.
"Japan Alps" along with the Hida and Kiso mountains.
(⇒ Click here for details)

(*3) A person who enjoys climbing mountains and has a hobby.
Not for optimistic purposes such as "enjoying the scenery", but for those who are trying to climb mountains with a stoic spirit that is similar to some sportsmen, "climbing in higher and more difficult situations and styles". To tell.
(⇒ Click here for details)

(※Four) The largest island in the world between the Arctic Ocean and the North Atlantic.
The "far end", where most of the island belongs to the Arctic and more than 80% is covered by ice sheets and perpetual snow.
Although it is a Danish territory, it has an autonomous government since 1979.
(⇒ Click here for details)

Sakamoto: I've been to various places for my work, but I've never felt culture shock or anything, neither Africa nor Amazon. Ladakh(※Five) I went there, but the impact was not that ratio.

Yuyama: I like mountaineer books and essays, but people who climb mountains are basically hedonists. K2(*6) I spend my life just to experience the incredible sights above. Even if I lose my fingers due to frostbite, I can't stop that much. That is a very deep business. I imagine people who are serious about mountain houses, but in addition to that, I think they are people with a lot of pleasure and desire.

Sakamoto: Until I went to Greenland this time, I didn't know who to climb, but why did you have such a hard time? What? But once you see it, you'll be captivated.

Yuyama: Diving is also a captive. I'm addicted to just sleeping on the sandy bottom of the sea, but it's serious. Is it a corpse sensation? I'm sucking high-pressure air, and I feel like I'm a dead body and I'm rolling in a different world.

Sakamoto: The British artist, about 60, called David, who started with us, started this project as an initiative to tackle environmental problems because the Arctic Circle was at the forefront of global warming. .. Have you left your soul? I had the same feeling. What attracts people like climbing? Pleasure will be the same, and maybe there is a crisis of existence. I feel like I don't know what happens if I make a mistake.

Yuyama: The cells of the whole body are adventured. Isn't it just an edge there? Is something in the brain turned on?

Sakamoto: I'm sure there will be pleasure substances. It's unlikely that you'll be so dangerous. It took only about 30 minutes in Greenland, but I got lost in a glacier (laughs).

(※Five) A mountainous area in Jammu and Kashmir, north of India, with an altitude of over 3,500 meters.
It borders with Pakistan and China on an uncertain border, and it is known as an unexplored area where the customs and culture more typical of Tibet live on than the mainland of Tibet, probably because foreigners were not allowed to enter the area until 1974.
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(*6) The world's second highest mountain in the Karakorum mountains.
Unstable weather and steep slopes make it difficult to reach the summit, and it is said that climbers will continue to scatter to reach the summit all over the world.
Therefore, it is sometimes called "the mountain of ruthlessness".
(⇒ Click here for details)

Yuyama: Wow! Dangerous! I'm dying.

Sakamoto: But I haven't experienced mountaineering and I rarely do sports, so it's really useless. I can't hear any voices at all, and there are mountains and a little hill, so you can't see over there. Even in a white world, the sound is absorbed so much that I can't hear it. That's why I went there, but I didn't get there.

Yuyama:"Kill Deputy Captain's Mountain Rescue Team Diary Mountain is really dangerous"(*7) There is a book, but I'm in distress even at Okutama, a gentle mountain nearby (laughs).

Sakamoto: While I was walking silently, I thought, "I think it's too bad." If you break your legs and get stuck here... At night, the temperature will drop, polar bears may come to eat, and there is no food. It's ephemeral, life.

Yuyama: Safety is commonplace in the face of many realities. I am warning myself, but I don't think it really works. Mr. Sakamoto lives in New York, so I think he still has that sense of crisis. However, there are really times when you have to go to Greenland. Unlike in the past, cities are becoming more and more the same, and it's not so interesting.

Sakamoto: Yeah. I used to send a lot of information from London, and this time in New York! There was such a thing, but it may not be a city anymore. It's not about where you are, but how interesting it is where you are. Looking at the lives of people in the Arctic Circle, the house is warm and the internet is all there, so it's a Western lifestyle, but if you go out one step, it's a -20°C world. It's an ice world. It's amazing surreal.

Continue to the next chapter ...

(*7) A book by Kunio Kin, a deputy captain of a mountain rescue team that covers the entire area of Okutama (Kadokawa Gakugei Publishing).
This is a book about the fun and danger of the mountain, written in a light style on the stage of Okutama, which is the area with the most casualties in Japan, although it is crowded with mountaineers mainly in the middle-aged and elderly all year round.
(⇒ Click here for details)

PROFILE

Yuyama Reiko Born in Tokyo in 1960.
Publishing and advertising director. Hou 71 Representative Director, Part-time Lecturer at Nihon University College of Art, Department of Literature.
In addition to performing creative direction and production centered on editing, he presides over “Bijinzushi”, the unit that holds sushi, and Berlin is active throughout Japan, including holding sushi at the opening of the guerrilla shop at Comme des Garcons.
Paperback to the book "Woman sushi"(Gentosha)," Club culture! (Mainichi Newspaper Publishing), new book "Woman dressed as a woman] (Shinchosha). Produced works include "Starry Sky Garden Planetarium Africana" (2006 Summer Roppongi Hills Observatory), Maki Nomiya Recital until 2009.

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